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Poster: Crazy Otto Date: Dec 4, 2009 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Yet Another Saturday Night

I was just curious if anybody knows if the Dead ever played a Saturday gig without Bob singing One More Saturday Night? I have caught quite a few Saturday shows, both with the Dead and with the various post-Dead formations, and it seems pretty much obligatory, and often as an encore which in a way is kind of a gyp. Not that I dislike the song, although it's certainly not one of my favorites, but it hardly seems encore-worthy.

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Poster: gellin'10 Date: Dec 5, 2009 2:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Yet Another Saturday Night

Yes, tonite.

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Dec 4, 2009 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Yet Another Saturday Night

I just posted this below in another thread. Doesn't answer your question, but I do share your view of the song:

Bobby's straining to hit all those high notes "Lord I SAW a mighty sign" "Thought he'd CALL it planet earth" is too much for me.... and then to top it off he had to do the blood-curdling WAAAAAAAAAHHHH to add to the crescendo at the end. Exhausting to listen to, without giving any satisfaction. I always thought this tune was an awkward fit for the band, an attempt to deliver straight up rock. However, it didn't seem to play to Jerry's strengths very well. Oh well, for all the pure goodness the band delivered, this is hardly anything to complain about.

For Saturday night songs, I'd personally take Elton's tune over this one :-)

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Poster: Crazy Otto Date: Dec 4, 2009 10:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Yet Another Saturday Night

Yeah, I remember reading about Hunter's frustration at trying to write the song with Bob and what a pain in the ass it was. Surprising the song even got finished, let alone became something they played so regularly for their entire career.

I really can't fathom how they could play that one, any of the Chuck Berry covers, or Bob's cowboy songs so many times without going insane. I mean I like hearing all those songs at one point, but just burned out at some point. And I know those guys had to play the songs way more times than I've heard them.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 4, 2009 10:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: acoustic vs visual + acoustic?

There have been a few threads on "over-used encores" and for me, in the 70s, it was this tune and USBlues, so it really dropped like a rock in my listing of favs.

However, when I first heard it in the early 70s, albums, tapes, etc., and then the first time or three at shows, I actually really liked it...I guess because of my limitations in evaluating musical abilities, I never really thought it was a poor fit (but see your points, and CC above), and in a way, a better choice than the CBerry tunes that might be substituted as "generic R&R guitar" numbers (although I currently love watching Jerry and Bob do a fine JBG from the Fillmore 71 flick I keep mentioning--watching a performance often does that to me: I like it a great deal more if it is good than I would just based on listening to it).

How about others? Do you notice that a visual representation of them actually playing the song can influence you strongly? I recall someone mentioning the NSB on Festival Express as the best ever, but I think if you just listen to it, that is not the case (even after watching it, I wouldn't rank it as # 1, but it defn moved it up, hence my thesis).

Anybody else think this?

In a nonDEAD context, I liked the White Stripes when first introduced, acoustic only, then loved them after watching the DVD (BlkPoolLights) with acoustic + visual...and NO, it wasn't just because of Meg! It was Jack...

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Dec 4, 2009 11:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: acoustic vs visual + acoustic?

Hey WT - Good points. Along the lines of your visual angle, I was thinking that experiencing OMSN live might have made a big difference, in that maybe it really got the crowd going & the adrenaline kicking in. I have experienced that with other tunes live - I remember dancing/fist-pumping to a song at the concert, only to find that it's uninspiring to listen to as a recording.

BTW, I remember you mentioning Tom Constanten's playing prowess coming through on a particular version of OMSN. Just thought I'd mention it so that you have evidence that your LMA posts DO indeed live on, in the oral history kind of way! I know you didn't ask for it, but hey....we all need to feel validated sometime. To borrow the posting convention of another poster.....((((( Hugs ))))))

Thanks for mentioning the White Stripes DVD; I need to give that a look.

This post was modified by cosmic charlie dupree on 2009-12-04 19:03:00

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 4, 2009 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: acoustic vs visual + acoustic?

Oh yeah--defn agree on the seeing them live vs just listening, but I was sorta getting at the "live on video" to separate out the whole "I was there!" issue...anyhow, obviously, multiple factors influence our appreciation!

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Dec 4, 2009 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: acoustic vs visual + acoustic?


I sure would have loved to see this one

damn glad we got youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1d5Bf5Q338

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 4, 2009 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: acoustic vs visual + acoustic?

Hmmmm, not sure about the TC ref; I have said that about Keith though...since TC left before the tune in Jan 70 if I recall, the only chance, I think, would've been the show in April at FillEast, when he came on as a guest, but don't think the tune was in circulation that early, right?

Anyhow, KG really did add some nice piano in those early days, and that brings us round to the Elton mention, eh?

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Dec 4, 2009 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: acoustic vs visual + acoustic?

Yikes - I guess it had to be Keith you were referring to (so much for my gushing about the valued wisdom you impart, and that it's not lost... too funny!) And worse, now I'm one of those people that make easy to spot factual errors, along the lines of 'Brent's prowess in such & such 1974 show...' I can feel the hurling shoes coming towards my head already!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 4, 2009 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: acoustic vs visual + acoustic?

Ha! Now, don't take this personally, but scrolling down I see the spam beneath your post, and the first thought I have is "ah ha! they realize he doesn't know his keyboard players and will be easy prey!" Then I see I got it too!

JK! But it did kinda occur to me...

How did THIS spam happen??? Isn't it "work" to insert it after a post--ie, does one of those "bots" do that kinda thing?

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Dec 4, 2009 12:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: acoustic vs visual + acoustic?

I thought the same thing - intentional spam meant to add insult to injury for my gaffe.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 4, 2009 12:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: acoustic vs visual + acoustic?

I have discovered a klew...

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Dec 4, 2009 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: acoustic vs visual + acoustic?

kool - pray Tell...

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Poster: vapors Date: Dec 4, 2009 11:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: acoustic vs visual + acoustic?

I had that experience with Phish. Seeing Trey play on the dvds I rented definitely influenced and changed my appreciation of that band. Never disliked them or saw them live, but have become more of a fan due to the visual appreciation.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Dec 4, 2009 10:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Yet Another Saturday Night

they couldn't just come out and jam for three hours. i mean, it would have been great, but completely unrealistic.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Dec 4, 2009 3:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Yet Another Saturday Night

This show in Reno in '82 was on a Saturday Night, but the band forgot to play OMSN. They played it first the next day at UC Davis.:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd82-03-13.martin.warner.21918.sbeok.flacf

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Dec 4, 2009 3:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Yet Another Saturday Night

Gotta listen to this, There can't be but a handful of sat. nites that they didn't play OMSN. How many I wonder? Hmmmm...